Product Showdown: The AI Automation Edition

[00:00:00] Michael Mordak: 15 minutes to build a workflow. In the tool that they’ve been assigned, um, everyone’s got a different tool But we’re gonna attack the same use case and at the end of this call We’re all going to vote on a winner. Um, I know our contestants gave a brief little intro, but we’re gonna Get everybody with a bit more detail here so Up first we’ve got uh, drew flockman a product leader with over 27 years of experience in product development technology management startups through blockchain He’s a founder of friends a web3 community growth platform aimed at helping brands create and grow communities Okay.

So drew last week. I saw you post a video about these ai generated videos Um that kind of hurt my brain to watch I don’t know if anybody’s seen these the video quality looks really good, but everything is just like So [00:01:00] psychedelic and just constantly changing and warped. Um What is happening in these videos and do you think that these AI videos will actually get to the point where we can Watch them and not have a mental breakdown.

Uh, you know right now This is like my favorite AI use case to be honest with you. Um, I just love these videos. It’s it’s just They’re like psychedelic like someone will be running and then they’ll like morph into a horse and then they like Sort of roll and turn and then like they’re just crazy videos.

I just love these things. I’m addicted to them Um, I actually do think that some of the videos that i’ve seen coming out Um are absolutely incredible. Um, and I do think that there’s going to be Some really good things. I mean, I had a friend, um, that was watching the, I forget the name now, OpenAI had a video too, and he’s a, he’s a cinematographer, and he’s been a DP on some movies and stuff.

I live in Los Angeles, so, um, But [00:02:00] he was telling me, he’s like, as a DP, this is absolutely terrifying. Like, the shots, the setup of the shots, and they had, like, snow falling in Tokyo, and all these, like, Sakura trees, you know, blooming and like all the stuff. It was absolutely crazy. So I do think in not too long, at least like commercials and stuff will easily made, and I think there’d been some companies like McDonald’s and stuff that have been playing around with doing some actual commercials in the AI.

So it’ll be really interesting to watch and see what happens. That is super cool. Yeah. I’ve seen some of the stuff that like Sora AI put out. I think that was the open AI one and it’s, they’re just shorts now, but Okay, next up we’ve got Andrew Lumby. Uh, Andrew is a front end developer, product manager, and all around web guy, which he has apparently trademarked, uh, with experience in growth marketing, analytics, A.

V. testing, and web optimization. His passions are in accessible design, emerging web technologies, [00:03:00] cricket, the sport, not the insect, if that’s what your mind went first, and, uh, the New York Times crossword. Andrew, you are a self proclaimed terrible cook. So, should I be sending some Uber Eats dinner to your house right now?

Or, like, do you have a live in chef at this point? How do you get by? Um, I will have it turned down to free food. So, yes, I do need Uber Eats. Um, but, um, yeah, I think, I, I’ve got, I’ve learned how to get by, I’ve slowly climbed the ladder of mediocrity to where, um, I, I can, I’m no longer setting my apartment on fire, but, you know, I can make, like, three different sheet pan dinners, and that’s enough to sort of get me by.

I am continuing to sustain myself. I’m not I am not wasting away. Um, Which is which is which is the most we can hope for I think, um, i’m picturing right now that I’m picturing right now the episode of the [00:04:00] simpsons where homer’s making Cereal for mr. Burns and it just stepped on fire Yeah, pretty much.

Yeah Pam’s episode just just on loop um, yeah, uh, it’s it’s um But yeah, no i’m getting i’m getting slightly better, but I will never be a michelin chef Well, we need some updates, um in the near future, but we’re gonna move over to our last contestant Uh, certainly not least the product manager’s very own hannah clark Um hannah following six years of experience in the tech industry She pivoted into the content space where she’s had the pleasure of working with some of the most brilliant voices in the product world.

Um, She’s driven by her insatiable curiosity and a love of bringing people together Her mission is to foster a fun vibrant and inspiring community of product people which we’re doing today Um has speaking of bringing people together. I understand you also host like a side community for creatives in your spare time Can you tell us a bit about?

What’s going on there [00:05:00] and why you decided to start it?

[00:05:01] Hannah Clark: Yeah, so, uh, being in this role, being someone who makes a lot of content, we do the podcast, we do, obviously, the articles and all the fun events, uh, like this one here, um, I, I really love the intersection of creative, uh, endeavors and community. And one of the things that I recognized in myself was that, um, I was putting a lot of creative energy into my work, but I also had a lot of personal creative projects that I would always deprioritize and kind of put to the backlog and not really get around to doing.

So I decided to start up a little group, uh, like a meetup group for people who also have that desire to do creative things. Maybe they want to do a work on a painting or, uh, work on a screenplay for a movie or whatever they kind of have brewing in their spare time. Uh, and they haven’t gotten around to really.

Putting the work in. Um, so we just meet up every other Sunday and we put in three hours of work on our respective projects and keep each other motivated and share what we’re working on and what we’re doing. And it’s really inspiring. We’ve got comedians and [00:06:00] painters and, um, filmmakers and all kinds of people from different, uh, backgrounds.

It’s really, it’s a really. Cool thing to do and uh, we all really enjoy it

[00:06:09] Michael Mordak: super cool Next time we’ll have to ask you to do some stand up comedy for us.

[00:06:13] Hannah Clark: I’m not the comedian You don’t want that

[00:06:18] Michael Mordak: Um, all right, okay without further ado let’s just jump into it. Um, because we got uh some things to get done here So we’re gonna jump into the the actual competition here.

So Let’s first set the scene. So The scenario we’re working with today, our contestants are each going to be acting as a product manager working for a SaaS tool that compiles and analyzes data from multiple sources. So you’ve implemented a feedback form within your product that users can fill out as needed.

What we’re doing today is you need to create a workflow that analyzes each piece of customer feedback as it comes in, creates a user story for that feedback, and then sends that to a shared space where your team members internally can see the feedback and potentially take [00:07:00] action or respond to it.

We’ll see what ideas you come up with. You’re going to have 15 minutes to create as much of this workflow as possible in your assigned tool. Uh, you can use whatever text prompts you want or image prompts. Um, everyone’s going to be working with the same set of dummy data. Uh, but there will be no duplicating workloads or using existing templates or anything like that.

So first off, we’ve got Drew, who’s going to be using a tool called Make. Uh, Drew, if you’d like to share your screen, and we’ll let you get set up. You’ve got 15 minutes. I’m going to put on a little timer next to me here. And we’ll keep our eye on the clock

take it away. Oh wait, you’re muted. Sorry

All right. There we go. Um I was just saying I might need that uh, google studio AI studio key, but we’ll see when I [00:08:00] have to connect. All right Um, so in all in full transparency, I have used make before but it’s been a long time I was just I actually have this old client that I helped that i’ve known since 1998 I helped them build one of the first online livestock cattle auction websites And so they’re like kind of friends now since I’ve known them for so long and they’ve actually gone through multiple iterations of their company So I always help them out and and I was helping them to do some screen scraping stuff for a project They’re working on so anyways Let’s get started.

So I’m in make they call these things scenarios. Um, so I’m going to create a new scenario here,

and then I’m going to essentially create. So we’re going to I’m going to pull in data from a Google sheet, and then I’m going to use a I to [00:09:00] read through each of the columns in the. In the spreadsheet and then i’m going to create things and hook it in and hopefully have it write user stories using ai And then post it into trello.

So, uh, we’ll see how that goes. That’s my ideal plan. Um, But we’ll see you got 15 minutes. Um, all right perform a function Especially I want to create one watch new rows. I think that’s it triggers when a new row is added I don’t know what this instant acid stuff is so that Watch changes. Let’s just do new rows.

So when new things come in, it’ll take it. All right So I do kind of sounds like what the the prompt was for some of those ai videos. We were sharing

Um, okay, so let me go into my drive [00:10:00] to the file

Just copy of product showdown. Okay. All right. So now the sheet is data table. Does it contain headers? Um, well, we’ll find out soon enough. I think it does You I meant to, we’ll do more, I can, so that, um, there’s like, actually, if it’s one API call each, I don’t want to use it, because I think we’re all using the same

[00:10:36] Drew Falkman: specific ID, um, since ID, we’ll just

[00:10:41] Michael Mordak: put

[00:10:41] Drew Falkman: zero.

[00:10:43] Michael Mordak: All right, actually, we can just choose all. All right, so it’s watching numerals. So now I go in and then I add another module. And then here i’m going to see if I can find google I don’t know if [00:11:00] they call it ai studio or gemini or vertex. Ai

[00:11:20] Hannah Clark: That’s the one they changed it like

[00:11:22] Michael Mordak: to vertex. Ai. Yeah They changed it to google studio, right?

[00:11:28] Drew Falkman: No, no to vertex.

[00:11:29] Michael Mordak: Ai. Oh, they did. Okay, so Google ai I guess it had been a week. So they must have decided it was time for another name change And what happened to bard bar so bard still bard, I don’t know. Um, okay, who knows analyze image video create a chat prompt

Query the text spice and make an api call. Uh, I think I want to make an [00:12:00] api call

Let’s see if we can do it make the link Connection name. Yes, that’s fine. Google

Well, you can’t see right now. Yeah, it’s just doing. Why? Yeah, why are you doing that? I want to do a quick, quick live pool here. Is this this is your 1st time seeing make at all give a quick little thumbs up. On the reactions there, I’m interested to see if people have used this tool before, or if it’s totally new and.

Based on the exploding thumbs. This looks like a pretty new tool for everybody. So this is a good kind of first run through to see the learning curve here. GCP project. I’m not sure what that even means. The idea of the Google cloud console. Oh, that’s fine. Um, let’s call it my first project.[00:13:00]

[00:13:01] Drew Falkman: Did I have language client? Okay.

[00:13:04] Michael Mordak: Location ID, um, cloud tasks, not the news. All right. Well, maybe that’s not the one I want to do that. Let me try and just do a chat and see if I can’t remove this. Oh, now I’m using up my time. This is not, not going well for me. If they change the name to Vertex, maybe they also changed the, the uh, name of the, um, prompt to Bison or whatever it said before there.

Oh yeah, maybe. Um, alright, let’s try, let’s see. Do this. Maybe I’ll just do a chat prompt.

[00:13:49] Drew Falkman: Well, maybe I was wrong.

[00:13:51] Michael Mordak: Try the other Google

[00:13:53] Drew Falkman: thing.

Yeah, the old Google.[00:14:00]

[00:14:11] Michael Mordak: Let’s, uh, let’s try the chat prompt. That might be the best way to go about it first. First, anyway. Yeah, yeah, that’s what we’ll do. And if that fails, we’ll try something else. Okay. Yeah, it says Gemini. So I think that’s it. So create a chat prompt. I’m not sure what the chat bison is. Um, or if I just use, I don’t have pro though.

So my guess is this is. There’s a text prompt palm model for response facing again.

[00:14:44] Drew Falkman: Um, we’ll just try chat to see where

there

actually will do

to create your prompt. Okay. So here’s an [00:15:00] instance message.

Uh, inter chat prompt for the chronological

author

[00:15:15] Michael Mordak: user. Okay. Okay, so here’s my sheet so I can say create a user story,

[00:15:27] Drew Falkman: uh to see about the information

[00:15:34] Michael Mordak: Yeah, no,

see we’ll do we don’t need the name. We do want the category Feedback additional

[00:15:47] Drew Falkman: information

[00:15:56] Michael Mordak: close that so there’s our dynamic data [00:16:00] Context use a context to shape how ai respond. That’s why we’re some model can or cannot use. Yeah, just keep that For example, let’s just do, uh, as a, uh, administrative user. I’m just going to give them a user story example and see how that works. I want to It’ll change settings so that I

[00:16:31] Drew Falkman: can control how that application

output content,

[00:16:47] Michael Mordak: input content, output content. All right. You know what? Let’s not do an example. I don’t think we need an example. Um, let’s just do this and see what happens. Um, [00:17:00] now, the question is, let’s run once and see what we get.

Serious pause because of exceeded limits. Oh no, I hope that’s not because of

[00:17:15] Drew Falkman: my, uh, other thing that I had built for my pod.

Oh no, I’m forwarded by my

Let’s go back in. Um,

[00:17:40] Michael Mordak: that’s the one. Yeah, I must have done my account for the free.

All right, um, well I might have to like do a quick upgrade in between and see just so we can run it But i’m going to try connecting trello [00:18:00] just to see the full process um, and then maybe we can cut away and someone else can do it and then later I can See if it works

That’s a good point that that mudwig made in the chat I mean, I think one of the goals for this too is like You know, we want to see what it’s like for a real person to try and pick up one of these tools without without having too much knowledge about them. And I mean, these are more of the real use cases here.

Like, if you were to go and use this on your own, um, it’s a way of seeing what the learning curve is like, and whether it’s actually going to save you time or whether it’s just going to be a headache to kind of figure out these processes. Exactly. All right. The spreadsheet, and everybody wants to see the dummy data we’re working with just to get an idea of what’s what’s going into it.

Alright, so I connected Trello, enter a list [00:19:00] ID, uh, let’s see,

[00:19:08] Drew Falkman: um, oh, these, I don’t want either of these, I’ll just click add,

uh, you can see it.

[00:19:24] Michael Mordak: So I’m just basically going into, uh, my personal workspace, creating a new board,

[00:19:32] Drew Falkman: um,

[00:19:37] Michael Mordak: I want, I want a new board.

We’ll just do, use the Kanban, create board

[00:19:46] Drew Falkman: template, um,

I’ll have this. Now I’m going to have to go back [00:20:00] and refresh my changes somehow.

I’m going

to

[00:20:12] Michael Mordak: close this. I’m just going to give you the three minute warning. Oh man. That sucked. There we go. Alright. Alright, so then I can give it a label. So I’m going to add it to to do. And we’ll just label it orange. Uh, name for the card. Um, call it. Oh, that’s cool. You could actually give it the name of the user story if you wanted to right from the Yeah, like the yeah from that.

Oh, yeah, I could uh, um, if if the output actually worked, I guess[00:21:00]

I’m not sure how to do it. I don’t know where it’s going to come in to output token count, but Yeah Metadata so it’s got to be in here somewhere candidates.

All right. Well, that’s not working So i’m just going to take it from here and this one’s going to need it on citation So i’m

[00:21:26] Drew Falkman: guessing this is in citations.

[00:21:28] Michael Mordak: You can always put the feedback in directly from the sheet, too

Yeah, I could, but I want the user story to come in here, what I want. So I guess I’ll try. That would be cool. Um,

file.

Alright, well I did it but I don’t know if it’s gonna work. . . [00:22:00] So we’ll find out, find out after. Do you wanna take a second to try and figure out the, uh, the API there and and see if you can actually run it? Yeah. Lemme see. Well, let’s, um, while you’re doing that, we can, we can, uh, change over to our next, uh, intestine because we’re almost at time anyway.

And then we can come back to you at the end to see if we were able to run it. So, uh, awesome. Okay, cool. I mean, obviously, you know, this is done live. We don’t do almost any prep for the purpose of these things. It’s to, it’s to be as real as possible. So that’s, these are the kind of things that, you know, you might run into if you’re trying to sort this out on your own.

Um, but look at all the applause you’re getting there, Drew. Good job. Also going first is always the hardest. Um, okay. Right on. Appreciate the pity claps. Yeah. If it’s the pity claps that you vote, then that’s all we can hope for, you know. Um, alright. Next up, we’re going to go over to [00:23:00] Andrew. He’s going to be showing us through a tool called N8n, which is, I believe, kind of like an open source, if I’m not mistaken.

Alternative to some of these automation workflow softwares. Yeah, I don’t know if it’s n8n or nation. I I’m not sure what it’s it’s trying to do but Good to start. Um, um, is the timer ready to go or Yeah, your timer’s going. I just started just now. Okay even lost any time yet. All right Uh, so let’s see if they’ve got a google sheets thing.

Yes, they do Um,

let’s see action get rows in sheets. Um Cool Connect to [00:24:00] okay, so i’ve got to sign in with google All

right.

Um, all right, so we’re signed in Um, is that all I need to do? Okay document sheet within documents get rows document from the list Ah, all right. Um And then the sheet from this would be customer feedback. All right, uh filters. I to filter anything Where’s the data

[00:24:45] Drew Falkman: location?

[00:24:49] Michael Mordak: Okay, the headers. Okay

[00:24:52] Drew Falkman: All

[00:24:52] Michael Mordak: right, we clarified that it did have headers, right? It does. Yeah. Okay, so I [00:25:00] think that this should be

[00:25:02] Drew Falkman: What we need.

[00:25:07] Michael Mordak: Hey! Um, there’s our stuff. Um, there it be. So, um, the settings. I don’t know how we’re gonna get it to loop through these, but that’s a problem for another minute. Let’s go here and let’s get it into Gemini. Google

[00:25:39] Drew Falkman: Gemini channel.

[00:25:50] Michael Mordak: Okay. Um, I don’t know. It’s just being for the host. Maybe just keep it that just throw the API in there that I sent you ahead of time.[00:26:00]

Go here. Host being prefilled tells me that they just want you to use that.

Well

[00:26:12] Drew Falkman: done.

Okay, my one pro. Okay,

[00:26:32] Michael Mordak: I good Lord. I have no idea what that is.

[00:26:46] Drew Falkman: Okay, that’s not what I need.[00:27:00]

So, the issue is, I don’t

[00:27:05] Michael Mordak: know if this

[00:27:06] Drew Falkman: is,

[00:27:10] Michael Mordak: it almost looks like, it says when chat message received, it almost looks like that’s a trigger instead of a, I feel like, I feel like this is a red herring. Well, while you’re sorting through that, there was a question from Jared, um, are there any privacy concerns with using Google Gemini? Would I need to scrub the data to remove any proprietary data or IP?

And, um, I’d be curious to know. Through I think you’ve worked a bit more with Gemini. Are there any privacy concerns like that that you have had to deal with? Or do you do anything to data before you send it into. That’s a good question. Um, most of it, like, I haven’t done any real world stuff. With it.

Gemini, I’m pretty sure I know they ask you at some point like if you want to allow [00:28:00] Google to use your data For their you know, just internally or something So I think you could turn that off, but I don’t know you want to see i’m pretty sure it’s not like HIPAA compliant I definitely wouldn’t like put PII in it or anything like that Um, but but I can I can check it out while we’re on the one thing i’ve heard from a few other folks who’ve been using um llms in general Or any kind of ai tools they’ve just been removing any mention of like company names or Emails private like private information that kind of thing anything that’s personally identifiable They’ve they’ve scrubbed that or I mean if they’re going to use it Anyway, and if there are any privacy concerns then I think for larger agencies You have bigger problems obviously because there’s just there’s so many more people involved and things can go wrong in a lot of different ways

um, all right, so I have um Basically [00:29:00] abandoned the Google Gemini node because I have no idea what I meant to do with that. Um, so I’m just using a standard HTTP request. I hopped onto the Gemini docks and they had a Uh the sort of quick start curl that I could Import back into here and it basically Added all the settings that I needed Um, so i’m i’m hoping that will work.

It’s giving me something to send it a prompt now So i’m gonna just test this

[00:29:40] Drew Falkman: one Okay, too many requests. See if it’s trying to send a bunch batching. That won’t do it. Um, Okay, test this one[00:30:00]

[00:30:04] Michael Mordak: Oh, this is taking longer. I feel like that’s a good sign. Right. Either a good sign or a bad sign. Or we put it into a frozen loop.

I mean, it’s just writing a story about a magic backpack. How, how difficult could it be?

Oh, I see. Okay. Ludwig is dropping hints in the chat now. What’s, what’s happening? He mentioned, Ludwig mentioned that this will take 91 times a thousand milliseconds. Even just for tempting the one thing I think oh, yeah I’ve got I see I see [00:31:00] I see what I meant to do now. Yeah, you’re right execute once.

Thanks for the hint Now I think we should be fine Of course it has Um, okay, i’m gonna I’ve got my own API key here. Let me try this bad boy.

I like, I don’t know why I find it funny when people refer to their own API keys as bad boys. A true, a true technical product manager has entered the chat.

[00:31:39] Drew Falkman: Hey!

[00:31:40] Michael Mordak: Okay. Um, okay. So, we’re getting a output here of something. About a Magic Backpack, so, um, right, we, uh, view the story. Based [00:32:00] on the following information.

Um,

feedback that is plugging out at the end.

[00:32:25] Drew Falkman: I don’t want to do that.

[00:32:30] Michael Mordak: It looks like you can turn off the Google privacy. Um, but that’s fairly new. You can just turn off German. I accept apps activity. I won’t use it for training. I’m using in there.

Okay, um, so[00:33:00]

Pulling this in it looks like you can pull this in but then things get a little wacky. So i’m a little concerned. Um,

Oh, super cool. We’re still able to bring in the data from the sheet. That’s helpful

[00:33:51] Andrew Lumby: Uh additional information, I think that should be a whole nother game

Hey, okay. I did not expect it to work[00:34:00]

Um, okay, um Cool, I didn’t give you acceptance criteria. Look at that. Yeah Okay, um cool so now i’ll give you i’ll give you a quick four minute warning as well Okay, and now I need to post it. I’m gonna send it to slack

post

Is there like send a message

send

a message? All right. Uh,

[00:34:49] Michael Mordak: This tool is called Don’t laugh at me. I’m going to say N8N as I look for the abbreviation. Okay, so Angel, somebody else in the chat mentioned that it’s an abbreviation [00:35:00] for No donation, which I don’t know what that means, but I can post links to all these tools in the chat

Andrew, did you need to stop sharing your screen? Did you need to stop sharing your screen? I did not sorry. Thank you. No problem

Hang on just working on connecting

[00:35:40] Andrew Lumby: So this

is

the awkward part of finding out where it needs to go

Okay,[00:36:00]

this should be connected. Awesome. Um psych account This is message send, send message to channel, um, from this, uh, test removal, um, and then, um, send the text message, and then message text I’m going to PID. The text from the inputs.

Um, And

test, um, Um,

Let’s [00:37:00] see, did that, Oh my god, okay. Didn’t get so surprised. Um, In Slack, Um, there we go. It’s appearing. Amazing. So now I think all we want to do, maybe, is How many minutes do I have? You’ve got one minute left. Alright, I want to quickly see if I can iterate through these. Um, okay, hang on. Uh, there’s something to loop.

Yes,

good lord. Okay, that’s not helpful. Um, okay, I need to delete that linkage.

Um, alright, so I want it to loop over each item after,[00:38:00]

so, so loop over items, and then

replace me, if you insist. Um, Loop, loop, closed, done. Okay, um, let’s see what I can do here. Batch size one, settings. I like where this is going, Andrew, but I’ve gotta, I’ve gotta call it a timer. No! Cause we’re gonna need, we’re gonna need a chance for Hannah. If, if we got time at the end, maybe we can, we can come back to your screenshot.

We still need to test for you as well. Um, I wanna make sure that Hannah’s got time to set, to set hers up. Cause we got one more tool to test, folks. Um, but let’s give Andrew a round of applause because I mean, that was some next level problem solving at the five minute mark. I was sure, like, if I didn’t need, I would have, I think I would have just backed out of the call slowly.[00:39:00]

Okay, Hannah’s up next. He’s going to be using Zapier quick, a quick, um, I’ll, I’ll start the clock for Hannah. And as she’s getting set up with her screen share there. Okay. Um, if you have not used Zapier before, if you’re seeing this for the first time, then give me a quick reaction with a thumbs up there.

[00:39:19] Hannah Clark: Hey folks, well it is all downhill from here, because I am, I am not a technical product manager, uh, my role is very much a content role, so you are about to see what it looks like for someone who is a total idiot. to use this tool and we’ll see how far we get. Um, okay, so I’m gonna share, let’s see, I’ll share this window.

I’ve got a couple of things set up here. Okay, so I created an account in Zapier. I have a couple of things, um, that I’m trying to integrate. I want to see, I’m going to take a crack at trying to send, uh, user stories to monday. com. I might give up. We’ll see if I even get that far. Um, just because I want to see some variety and, Where we’re [00:40:00] collaborating from.

Okay. And so this I think is really cool. Like we can actually kind of give a prompt of what our, what our automation should be. So we kind of have, um, like a pre established use case to create a workflow that analyzes each new piece of customer feedback, creates a user story, and sends it to a shared space for team members.

Okay, full disclosure, I was trying to set up the account just so that you guys weren’t seeing dead air. Uh, beforehand. Uh, oh, um, so I did know that it actually does this, which I think is very cool. Like, it kind of gives you a step by step guide to kind of do what you need to do. So we’ll see how far I get with the steps that it recommends.

[00:40:45] Michael Mordak: It’s interesting, it looks like it assumed you’re using a tool called Canny.

[00:40:51] Hannah Clark: Oh, interesting.

[00:40:53] Michael Mordak: You might need to specify in the prompt which tools you are, uh, you’re using.

[00:40:59] Hannah Clark: [00:41:00] Okay, so let’s see from Google sheets.

[00:41:03] Michael Mordak: But what’s interesting why you’re playing that in is that Kenny is if anybody’s unfamiliar with the tool is software for getting kind of live user feedback from folks that as the feedback comes in, people can upvote it.

To kind of see okay, like if you want feedback on your product Somebody might say I want this feature and then everybody like all the users can go in and upvote that feature if they think It’s a good idea. Um

[00:41:30] Hannah Clark: Okay. Yeah, I see the example That’s a good call out. And so the example, um actually does ask that you specify which apps you want to integrate Um, so I specify google sheets And that we want to share it, create a shared space in Monday.

So we’ll see how it goes. Okay, so new spreadsheet row. Okay, let’s try it here. Um,

spreadsheet [00:42:00] row. Okay, I want to use existing sheet data.

[00:42:09] Michael Mordak: I think you might need to hit that try it to actually get into the editor there.

[00:42:15] Hannah Clark: Okay, I’m so sorry by the way in advance. This is painful to watch. It’s probably more painful to do. Okay, let’s see. So, Okay, so newer updated spreadsheet row. So this seems like my Okay, so, Best bet so far, uh, trigger when new row is added and modified in the spreadsheet.

Okay, so this actually might be our best bet. Um, bottom, okay,

let’s try this one since we’ll probably be using, like, this is a shared drive that we’re, okay. It’s allowing access. [00:43:00] Okay, perfect. Okay, okay, let’s see if I can select which sheet that I want.

Oh, okay, and it doesn’t want me to use that. Okay, perfect. Okay, well, let’s see if I can use my personal drive, or I have a copy

go. Okay, so trigger column. I imagine.

Yeah,

[00:43:48] Michael Mordak: I think if you wanted to fire it on any row, that’s like on every single row, you might just want any column as the

[00:43:53] Hannah Clark: any column. Okay.

[00:43:57] Michael Mordak: Maybe, maybe just erase what’s in there. Clear [00:44:00] selection at the bottom there.

You had your, when you had the drop down open, it said pure selection.

[00:44:07] Hannah Clark: Oh, I see. Okay. Oh, any column. Okay, perfect. Okay. Let’s just see what happens.

[00:44:19] Michael Mordak: I love when the data gets pulled in properly. Look at that.

[00:44:23] Hannah Clark: Okay. So row C that’s, oh, that’s email.

Uh,

[00:44:36] Michael Mordak: yeah. Uh, rows versus columns. Remember? So.

[00:44:41] Hannah Clark: Yeah. Oh, that’s right. You’re right. Right. Right. Right. I mean, I’m thinking,

[00:44:45] Michael Mordak: okay, it’s kind of confusing because it shows you row C, but in in sheets, it’s actually column C

[00:44:54] Hannah Clark: text. Okay,[00:45:00]

learn. I haven’t heard of monkey learn. Okay, let’s try with

[00:45:08] Michael Mordak: I have also not heard of marketing, but it’s a good name.

[00:45:12] Hannah Clark: Yeah. Okay. Let’s see. Send prompt.

Okay. So I’ve got an API key here. Use.

[00:45:33] Drew Falkman: Okay.

[00:45:38] Hannah Clark: The latest or pro? Sorry. Uh,

[00:45:44] Michael Mordak: Probably doesn’t matter too much. I mean, for the purpose of this anyway. If this were real, user stories were recreated. Maybe I want the latest one.

[00:45:53] Hannah Clark: The user story, uh, based on[00:46:00]

information in. Okay. So what I would, I’m gonna risk here, but if I ask it to just, uh, use this. Columns D E and F.

[00:46:19] Michael Mordak: Well, I think typically like what I think what, um, Andrew did in his was he actually just pulled in the data from earlier in the automation. So if you click that plus in the prompt window there, pull data directly in from the sheet.

[00:46:35] Hannah Clark: Okay.

Okay. Okay.

Okay, so here’s where I’m a little above my pay grade. Um, sure. Does anyone have [00:47:00] any recommendations for, like, at this point, I’m kind of past my expertise, so, uh, does anyone have any recommendations for settings here that I should do so that we’re not, so we’re not fetching continuously or anything like that, or should we just continue?

[00:47:13] Michael Mordak: I wouldn’t change anything there. Just continue.

[00:47:16] Hannah Clark: I’m going to make sure, because

[00:47:20] Michael Mordak: Although I’m also not the expert there.

[00:47:22] Hannah Clark: Yeah, I’m checking to see if,

[00:47:23] Michael Mordak: whenever there’s, uh,

[00:47:24] Hannah Clark: custom suggestions or, if anyone puts that.

[00:47:27] Michael Mordak: Any recommended inputs for understuff sequences? Cause you might run into the same issue I did where it, um, tries to do 91 different, uh, Version of it.

[00:47:38] Hannah Clark: Yeah, that’s kind of what I was worried about. It was a little

[00:47:40] Michael Mordak: cool tip or something under Not

[00:47:44] Hannah Clark: uh,

[00:47:46] Michael Mordak: oh,

[00:47:46] Hannah Clark: I see what you mean. Um,

[00:47:56] Michael Mordak: yeah, that’s just to give it to find certain language Let’s just give it a [00:48:00] test and it’s like not going then. Um, then we can always go back and play with the uh settings

Hey,

[00:48:13] Hannah Clark: there we go. And you got your acceptance criteria. And acceptance criteria. Okay, so this has been the easiest tool so far by a long shot. If I can figure this out and get this far with as little help as I’ve gotten, you guys are all I’m, I officially recognize happy for this. But, but although we’ve only made, we’ve only gotten to the user story and acceptance criteria, we don’t know how good it’s going to be at dumping it into Monday.

Okay, let’s see. So we want to Uh, so here’s the tricky part. Do we want it to create? Okay. Well, I wanted to create a new item in a board. Let’s see here. Is there a better linescript details?

[00:48:54] Michael Mordak: I’m going to give you a four minute warning here, Hannah, as well. Yeah,

[00:48:56] Hannah Clark: I’m doing way better than I expected. Um, [00:49:00] okay.

Let’s, uh, let’s create a new item in a board. Um, I did set up a totally new Monday account for this purpose. Um, so, API. Oh, integrate. Here we go.

[00:49:21] Drew Falkman: Ah, Zapier.

[00:49:36] Hannah Clark: Oh, shoot. Okay.

[00:49:38] Drew Falkman: Isn’t it

[00:49:38] Michael Mordak: double P? What’s that? No. Can

[00:49:42] Hannah Clark: I just

[00:49:42] Michael Mordak: log in? No, it’s single P. That’s weird that it wouldn’t just connect automatically.

[00:49:45] Hannah Clark: Yeah, like, can I just log into my account here? Make a new account. Uh, I just, no. Oh, okay, developer. Okay, profile picture developer section. Okay, so it tells me where to find it.

That’s good. Profile.

[00:49:59] Michael Mordak: I [00:50:00] think it was in the drop down.

[00:50:02] Hannah Clark: Oh, was it?

[00:50:03] Michael Mordak: In the last page, yeah. Uh, left side about four down.

[00:50:06] Hannah Clark: Ah, thank you. Sharp eyes. I have very slow eyes.

[00:50:14] Michael Mordak: There’s an API playground on the left. Ah,

[00:50:17] Hannah Clark: okay. Here we go. Okay, uh, know. Here we go.

[00:50:28] Michael Mordak: Look at that.

[00:50:28] Hannah Clark: Show, copy. It says this is a

[00:50:32] Michael Mordak: secret token, so everybody close your eyes.

Don’t look at our page.

[00:50:35] Hannah Clark: Oh, it’s okay. This is, I’m probably never going to use this account again. Okay, here we go. Oh my gosh. Can I actually do this in under 15 minutes? Unbelievable. Yeah.

[00:50:47] Michael Mordak: I have all the faith.

[00:50:48] Hannah Clark: Wow.

Uh, I’ll just call them user stories.

[00:50:59] Michael Mordak: And here you could [00:51:00] also again, you could bring in some of the output. So like if you wanted to put in, I don’t know if there’s like a description on, I don’t know. I don’t have a lot of experience in Monday. com, but if you want to put like a description in this task or whatever it is, you could probably pull in the actual prompt that you get from Monday.

com. I’m

[00:51:18] Hannah Clark: just going to keep it really, really simple here just to test it out and see if it works.

Okay. Okay. Publish.

Oh, my word.

[00:51:35] Michael Mordak: You should be able to check your, uh, you should be able to check your Monday and see if it’s

[00:51:38] Hannah Clark: active. User stories. Okay,

[00:51:40] Michael Mordak: but I don’t

[00:51:45] Hannah Clark: see them. If I go, but if I go into the task, does it have anything? No, it doesn’t have anything. Okay. But we did. Okay. So it’s integrated. That’s half the battle. I know we’re kind of running out of time, but like. I’m shocked that we were able to [00:52:00] get here this efficiently

[00:52:02] Michael Mordak: let’s actually let’s actually call it there hannah because I do want to see if I want to come back to drew and see if we were able to get the uh integration working on okay make

[00:52:11] Hannah Clark: I’ll stop sharing in everyone.

[00:52:13] Michael Mordak: Yeah, quick round of applause as well for him. And that was awesome. Yeah. So we got to see how it looks like getting into monday. com. And as I was kind of explaining, we could also like, you could pull in the actual user story that’s created into monday. com to probably have it populate in that in that card.

Again, I don’t know that for sure. I would have to take some playing around. But the

[00:52:32] Hannah Clark: pull

[00:52:35] Michael Mordak: it into there.

[00:52:35] Hannah Clark: That was crazy. Easy. Awesome.

[00:52:38] Michael Mordak: Yeah. Personally, I use Appier a lot, so I’m a bit, uh, I don’t know if you can tell, but I’m a little bit, uh, I favor it a little bit. They’re the OG. I mean, they are the OG.

Alright, so, um, Well, so basically, I tried running it, and let me [00:53:00] share here, and it’s saying that I need to, like, turn on my billing for, Uh google vertex, so i’m i’m trying to add a billing account Um,

so when I enable it and I added a billing account, but it’s saying it’s not so there’s something. Oh, here we go

We’ll give you we’ll give you another 30 seconds to see if we can if we can get this. Where is it going? Uh, it’s turning. Let’s try it now. We’re on launch. All right. All right. This is looking good It’s happening. It’s happening. Something’s happening. All right, you might need to take us back to your other screen though.[00:54:00]

Oh, sorry I see lots of green things, so that’s a good sign. Scenario run was completed, so The next thing then is to log into Trello. Let’s see. All right. So let me share it. Look at this boom two Navigation, uh, it doesn’t didn’t add anything in the comment, but it did add tickets With the info I think it’s because I didn’t choose that right field

[00:54:32] Drew Falkman: So I

[00:54:36] Michael Mordak: just don’t know where it’s coming back.

So that’s the key is description, but it filled up that backlog of user stories. So you can spend hours and hours on a Sunday night going through that to get ready for the week. It did. And I feel like it could, I just need to get candidates content. There [00:55:00] we go. Play with that. But I know we only have a minute left and I want to get the poll out there before everyone has to drop off.

So. Oh, uh, let me just launch this. Let us know who did it best. You should have a poll on your screen, uh, that should pop up. Drew, who totally redeemed himself with make, at the end of the call there, . Andrew had to come up with a super on the fly, uh, workaround, uh, to get the, uh, prompt work, Hannah, who did an un, Zapier almost seamlessly, uh, or flawlessly I should say.

And, uh, I’ll get everyone a couple seconds to vote in the polls there. And we’ll find out who did it best, who wins today’s product showdown. I was talking to Drew because Drew was in the last, uh, installment of our product showdown as well, trying to figure out who, trying to remember who won that one.

And I think, I think Drew, you won the last one. We did, um, a run through on, um, AI prototyping, [00:56:00] uh, tools to see who could build a prototype for like a website in 15 minutes. I think I did, but I didn’t want to come off as a

[00:56:08] Drew Falkman: bragger.

[00:56:11] Michael Mordak: All right, well, our votes are almost unanimous here. We’ve got 10 votes in so far, nine for Hannah and one for Andrew on, uh, Notamation.

So drew the tables have turned this time around unfortunately didn’t get any any votes, but you know what? I think you’re also subject to the tool in a way. So, um,

[00:56:34] Hannah Clark: wasn’t me

[00:56:38] Michael Mordak: Well, I just want to thank everybody again for uh taking this time to hang out and Get to kind of see some of these tools get to Play around with the AI connections inside of them and see how we can try to cut back on some of this time.

So, you know, today in 15 minutes, almost. I think I mean, almost in everybody. I mean, I don’t want to say who I drew, but it didn’t take too much [00:57:00] longer. But in that 15 minutes, we were able to set up a process to get feedback into a user story and then exported to a shared space where your team could see that information they could, you could potentially tag them into it.

Like some kind of actions, that kind of thing. And then obviously, you know, fine tuning, uh, we’ll, we’ll make this process easier and save you, save you some time, but I hope everybody got some information out of that, some help. Uh, and yeah, I mean, for me, I got a lot out of it. I laughed a lot and. It was a ton of fun.

[00:57:32] Hannah Clark: Thanks everybody for coming.

[00:57:33] Michael Mordak: Yeah. I want to thank everybody again for coming. Thanks for our contestants. Uh, that was a ton of fun. If, uh, you haven’t already seen, we’ve got another event happening on September 20th, this one is going to be a different, um, setup. We’re going to be asking our resident expert in emerging technology, how we can successfully apply new tech to our product roadmap.

Um, we’re going to be joined by the head of product at UNUX at Sephora. Sneha Nirahalli. That’s what we’ll be talking to her. Uh, check out our website, uh, productmanager. com [00:58:00] slash, uh, membership to, uh, register for that one. And hopefully we’ll see you there.